Comments for Internationalist Perspective http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog A pro-revolutionary blog Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:04:55 -0800 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 Comment on On “Aufhebengate” by petey http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/11/15/response-to-the-tptg/comment-page-1/#comment-21566 petey Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:04:55 +0000 http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/?p=215#comment-21566 very good, clear piece. timely for me too, as i've been asking questions like this of my own position more frequently lately. i thought the bloke in question had crossed the line. very good, clear piece. timely for me too, as i’ve been asking questions like this of my own position more frequently lately.
i thought the bloke in question had crossed the line.

]]> Comment on About by Nam Goong Won http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/about/comment-page-1/#comment-21174 Nam Goong Won Mon, 19 Dec 2011 02:13:10 +0000 #comment-21174 Dear comrades We inform you that the result of “Socialist Workers’ League of Korea” (SWLK) trial. SWLK 8 militants received the verdict of guilty by the court of appeal on December 16. The court of appeal enhanced sentence. Oh Sei-chul, Yang Hyo-sik, Yang Jun-seok, and Choi Young-ik was sentenced to 2 years in jail with a stay of execution for three years and fined 500,000 won. Nam goong won, Park Jun-seon, Jeong Won-hyung, and Oh Min-gyu was sentenced to 1 year 6 month in jail with a stay of execution for three years and fined 500,000 won. The notorious National Security Law, enacted in 1948, has long been used to repress socialist, communist and labor struggles in South Korea. As the SWLK case attracted a lot of socialist attention, the South Korean socialist gathered together to support the defendants. We appreciate your interest in organizing the support of SWLK militants. Dear comrades

We inform you that the result of “Socialist Workers’ League of Korea” (SWLK) trial.

SWLK 8 militants received the verdict of guilty by the court of appeal on December 16. The court of appeal enhanced sentence.

Oh Sei-chul, Yang Hyo-sik, Yang Jun-seok, and Choi Young-ik was sentenced to 2 years in jail with a stay of execution for three years and fined 500,000 won.

Nam goong won, Park Jun-seon, Jeong Won-hyung, and Oh Min-gyu was sentenced to 1 year 6 month in jail with a stay of execution for three years and fined 500,000 won.

The notorious National Security Law, enacted in 1948, has long been used to repress socialist, communist and labor struggles in South Korea.

As the SWLK case attracted a lot of socialist attention, the South Korean socialist gathered together to support the defendants.

We appreciate your interest in organizing the support of SWLK militants.

]]> Comment on On “Aufhebengate” by Administrator http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/11/15/response-to-the-tptg/comment-page-1/#comment-20837 Administrator Sun, 11 Dec 2011 00:43:45 +0000 http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/?p=215#comment-20837 You're right, we don't agree with an inquiry. But is this a "verdict" on our part? We have explained our ideas, you haven't (since you don't give any more information that anonymous, it's hard to know what you think). Sorry comrade, but you need to explain rather than dismiss. Fischer You’re right, we don’t agree with an inquiry. But is this a “verdict” on our part? We have explained our ideas, you haven’t (since you don’t give any more information that anonymous, it’s hard to know what you think). Sorry comrade, but you need to explain rather than dismiss.

Fischer

]]> Comment on On “Aufhebengate” by anonymous http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/11/15/response-to-the-tptg/comment-page-1/#comment-20278 anonymous Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:18:52 +0000 http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/?p=215#comment-20278 You don't want an inquiry. Instead you just publish your verdict. You don’t want an inquiry. Instead you just publish your verdict.

]]> Comment on They Don’t Get It…(New Version) by mike http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/11/21/they-dont-get-it-new-version/comment-page-1/#comment-20078 mike Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:27:49 +0000 http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/?p=219#comment-20078 Good basic leaflet but this: ''The change must go deeper and emancipate the oppressed, make them part of a real democracy instead of the sham that exists today.'' seems like confused language that is a concession to the notion of 'an alliance of the oppressed' and the 'democracy fetish' of the occupy movement and in particular the USA orginated '1/99%' slogan which somewhat covers up the other real class and heirachical divisions in capitalist society.? Good basic leaflet but this:
”The change must go deeper and emancipate the oppressed, make them part of a real democracy instead of the sham that exists today.”
seems like confused language that is a concession to the notion of ‘an alliance of the oppressed’ and the ‘democracy fetish’ of the occupy movement and in particular the USA orginated ’1/99%’ slogan which somewhat covers up the other real class and heirachical divisions in capitalist society.?

]]> Comment on IP Presentation on Uprisings in the Arab World and the Struggles in Europe by Are we now in the era of Indignados? « occupy everything for everyone http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/07/01/ip-presentation-on-uprsinigs-in-the-arab-world-and-the-struggles-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-18977 Are we now in the era of Indignados? « occupy everything for everyone Mon, 31 Oct 2011 00:47:19 +0000 http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/?p=162#comment-18977 [...] spring, articles, greece, spain Tags: 2011, arab spring, greece, indignadxs, leftcom, spain 0 http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/07/01/ip-presentation-on-uprsinigs-in-the-arab-wor... IP Presentation on Uprisings in the Arab World and the Struggles in [...] [...] spring, articles, greece, spain Tags: 2011, arab spring, greece, indignadxs, leftcom, spain 0 http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/07/01/ip-presentation-on-uprsinigs-in-the-arab-wor... IP Presentation on Uprisings in the Arab World and the Struggles in [...]

]]> Comment on IP Presentation on Uprisings in the Arab World and the Struggles in Europe by Leaflet for (re)Occupy Melbourne « immediateworldwidedereification http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/07/01/ip-presentation-on-uprsinigs-in-the-arab-world-and-the-struggles-in-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-18907 Leaflet for (re)Occupy Melbourne « immediateworldwidedereification Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:42:20 +0000 http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/?p=162#comment-18907 [...] Internationalist Perspective on the Arab Spring uprisings and Greek and Spanish assemblies. [...] [...] Internationalist Perspective on the Arab Spring uprisings and Greek and Spanish assemblies. [...]

]]> Comment on They Don’t Get It (Revised) by They Don’t Get It (revised) « occupy everything for everyone http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/10/13/they-dont-get-it-revised/comment-page-1/#comment-18736 They Don’t Get It (revised) « occupy everything for everyone Fri, 21 Oct 2011 06:44:35 +0000 http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/?p=201#comment-18736 [...] http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/10/13/they-dont-get-it-revised/ [...] [...] http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/10/13/they-dont-get-it-revised/ [...]

]]> Comment on They Don’t Get It by John McG http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/10/06/they-dont-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-18295 John McG Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:40:50 +0000 http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/?p=198#comment-18295 Hi, as a capitalist/socialist who has been with the NYC General Assembly since long before occupying Liberty Plaza, and who has been advocating a list of demands for a long time, I like this argument. I am slowly being convinced that we do not need demands (although I wish the Declaration of the Occupation was more widely disseminated, and think that a set of principles might be agreed upon to guide our actions and the understanding of others. I do think we need to think outside the box, but I have a problem with the idea that we could make a drastic jump to communism (by the way I am pretty sure that the word "communism" has such negative connotations with a majority of US citizens, that you will never get a fair hearing for your ideas if you give them that title.) If you want to think out of the capitalist box though, you also have to think out of the Marxist box, we need some kind of functional model for how our incredibly complex can move foward if it leaves capitalism behind. My ideas are not so far outside the box, I usually push for a more gradual move from our pseudo capitalist kleptocracy, asking that the people replace the most corrupt and nonfunctional markets with government control first. And then if successful, we could move and more aspects of economy toward a more generous model. In the short run Occupy Wall St is really connecting with people and is changing the conversation that the world is having, so I am glad to be working with you. Hi, as a capitalist/socialist who has been with the NYC General Assembly since long before occupying Liberty Plaza, and who has been advocating a list of demands for a long time, I like this argument. I am slowly being convinced that we do not need demands (although I wish the Declaration of the Occupation was more widely disseminated, and think that a set of principles might be agreed upon to guide our actions and the understanding of others.
I do think we need to think outside the box, but I have a problem with the idea that we could make a drastic jump to communism (by the way I am pretty sure that the word “communism” has such negative connotations with a majority of US citizens, that you will never get a fair hearing for your ideas if you give them that title.) If you want to think out of the capitalist box though, you also have to think out of the Marxist box, we need some kind of functional model for how our incredibly complex can move foward if it leaves capitalism behind.
My ideas are not so far outside the box, I usually push for a more gradual move from our pseudo capitalist kleptocracy, asking that the people replace the most corrupt and nonfunctional markets with government control first. And then if successful, we could move and more aspects of economy toward a more generous model.
In the short run Occupy Wall St is really connecting with people and is changing the conversation that the world is having, so I am glad to be working with you.

]]> Comment on They Don’t Get It by They Don’t Get It « occupy everything for everyone http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/10/06/they-dont-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-18138 They Don’t Get It « occupy everything for everyone Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:24:59 +0000 http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/?p=198#comment-18138 [...] http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/10/06/they-dont-get-it/ [...] [...] http://internationalist-perspective.org/blog/2011/10/06/they-dont-get-it/ [...]

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